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Offline rovalle

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Why such a lack of recordings lately????
« on: March 01, 2017, 12:28:24 PM »
I'm a bit perplexed over the lack of recordings being offered up since the end of last year through now...are all the tapers on vacation?  :hmmm: not much making the rounds...oh well 
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Re: Why such a lack of recordings lately????
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2017, 08:42:36 PM »
Been wondering the same thing.One of the first things I look for at a show is someones rig set up.Haven`t seen any lately anywhere.Surprised nothing from the City Winery shows in December.Those usually show up.It`s a bummer cos the boys have been really tearing it up lately.The Walking Song getting pulled out of mothballs along with Viking has added an amazing dimension to recent shows.Hope someone records Hartford tomorrow since its the night before my b-day.Just A Man>Walking Song would work for me(I can dream cant I?)

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Re: Why such a lack of recordings lately????
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2017, 07:44:00 AM »
Oooo..."Just A Man > Walking Song" would be sweet....One of my Faves was for a bit Dave would do "Peace > Just A Man"....early 90's maybe?
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priest "aren't you groucho marx?"
groucho "yes i am"
priest "i want to thank you for all the joy you've put in the world"
groucho "and i want to thank you for all the joy you've taken out of it"

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Re: Why such a lack of recordings lately????
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2017, 01:36:06 PM »
Oooo..."Just A Man > Walking Song" would be sweet....One of my Faves was for a bit Dave would do "Peace > Just A Man"....early 90's maybe?
Just A Man>Peace from the Fillmore in 08 must be in your collection somewhere.That was the first time I saw it done.

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Re: Why such a lack of recordings lately????
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2017, 02:34:26 PM »
I think in some cases it's the venue and the expectations of the show one might see. In recent years, if one were to go to a casino or a sit-down club show, you might get 'Los Lobos Lite'...which a 'taper,' if'n they were a less-than-fervent Lobosian, might not feel was interesting enough. I think recent setlists would indicate that the tide is turning a bit; but there are still some places where there crowd doesn't fully perk up until they hear 'La Bamba."

The cost of some of those shows is awfully high. For instance, a price range of $70 to $85 dollars for a 'dinner club' venue for Lobos as opposed to going to a small club to see a lesser known but up-and-coming act for $25. And then there's the vibe of a dinner club versus a Fillmore or The Orange Peel or Mystic Theatre or Keswick Theatre or Floore's or The Catalyst or The Ram's Head or The Belly Up or even the Beachland.

I would also say that there is less of a push the last couple years to get tapers out to shows by actively enlisting people through guest list spots. A lot of that has to do with time and focus changing for individuals involved in the effort to get tapers to the shows.

I've also seen quite a few experienced tapers just get out. People with whom the passion doesn't burn sufficiently to put up with the extra bother of recording & sharing a show. Lots and lots of gear being sold out there, going for a fraction of what people paid new.

And finally, there are 'old hands' who, through one thing or another, just can't make it to the show. Family, work, other interests: they all get in the way. In this case, I shamefully point to myself. A four-show run ten miles from my house and I can't make it to even one show due to a flu turned respiratory infection. Ten years ago, I would have rolled tape and then sat in the corner sipping brandy all night long. Now, my doctors gave me a choice of staying at home or staying in a hospital (which was somewhat of an improvement from the last time when they threatened a full-body cast to keep me immobile). Unfortunately, my 'backups,' such as they are, either had other commitments or have gotten out of taping altogether with the exception of rare stealth occasions (for instance, a Paul McCartney or Stones show).

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Re: Why such a lack of recordings lately????
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2017, 09:36:14 PM »
GOOD ANSWER
2nd groucho-priest encounter, nyc hotel lobby
priest "aren't you groucho marx?"
groucho "yes i am"
priest "i want to thank you for all the joy you've put in the world"
groucho "and i want to thank you for all the joy you've taken out of it"

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Re: Why such a lack of recordings lately????
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2017, 11:24:51 AM »
Fillmore 12/02/16 was seeded over on Dime:

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=578431

It's a goody.  Oh, I guess the OP said 'since end of '16'.......Well, not voluminous, but I've gotten about 8 show from bt.etree for 2017, and at least one other on Dime.

However, I hasten to add: Never enough.

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Re: Why such a lack of recordings lately????
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2017, 12:26:20 AM »
i've been resisting the urge to reply to this thread, but i now think i can reply without sounding like a super defensive dickbag
sorry in advance if i fail


i love this band. hard. if you know me IRL, you know that Los Lobos occupies a huge chunk of my heart. those of you don't know me in person are likely aware of it from my behavior on this discussion board. when i purchased my recording rig back in 2003 my main goal was to record and share all of the Lobos shows i was seeing on a regular basis. you know that thing...when you're at a show and look for the mic stands in hopes that you'll be able to hunt down a recording from that guy's rig? i was sick of going to shows and not seeing any mics hoisted up. just too many shows that weren't being preserved.

so i went into some late-20s credit card debt and got some mics and all that other stuff that one needs to become a 'taper' (even though technically nobody was using tape anymore). it was (and continues to be) tremendously rewarding. as great as it is to listen to a show as you're driving home from it, the real treat for me is to be able to share it with friends and strangers. when i meet people at a show and they tell me how much they love my recording from [insert date/venue here] it makes me feel good about going into that late-20s credit card debt.

that said...i've spent a lot of time at shows so preoccupied with being a taper that i was unable to enjoy the show. the venue would be emptying out and friends would walk up to me as i was striking my rig to ask me what i thought of the show and i'd say "i dunno...i'll have to listen to the files". i'd be driving away from a show that i just recorded, realizing that i had missed the entire thing.

so there's that.

another element to consider: i'm an uppity audio snob. i know that many of my recordist bretheren are as well. if i listen to a recording and don't ever want to listen to it again, guess what: you'll never hear it. as much as i like to go on and on about how i do this for YOU, there's a teeny tiny little bit of bullshit there. in addition to not having any desire to listen to a recording that i personally don't care for, i never want to share a recording that may make the band appear less than totally fucking badass. and, from a strictly ego-driven standpoint, i want people to see crackmc and immediately know that it's going to be a good listen. if it's not good enough for me to listen to a second time, i won't expect you to endure it.

i'm glad that so many people can enjoy my recordings. especially you guys. and i'm sorry about the ones that don't make the cut. and i'm sorry for the times i've shown up at the venue and decided that i'd just rather sit in the green room drinking up all of Dave's Sapporo* instead of setting up my rig. after all...I am just a man.

 
* or Mitch's Modelo
* or Myles' bourbon
* or Steve's tequila
* or Conrad's rose
* or Monstruo's mota
* or Tuggboat's rice cakes
* or Dan's PB+J sandwiches w/ potato chips




also - regarding Jesse's post above mine - my dime account has been suspended re: inactivity...is that my SBD/AKG matrix?

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Re: Why such a lack of recordings lately????
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2017, 05:10:35 PM »
another good answer...but my initial question was for late Winter when it really seemed to fall off...lately lots'a goodies to enjoy....
2nd groucho-priest encounter, nyc hotel lobby
priest "aren't you groucho marx?"
groucho "yes i am"
priest "i want to thank you for all the joy you've put in the world"
groucho "and i want to thank you for all the joy you've taken out of it"

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Re: Why such a lack of recordings lately????
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2017, 01:34:24 AM »
yeah, i hear you...but really you raise a solid question

i remember when etree moved FAST...like i'd upload a show and within hours it would be pushed to page 2

the Santa Cruz show just got to page 2 this morning...and that's only because Phish is playing 13 straight nights at MSG and there is a flood of different sources for those...otherwise the Santa Cruz show would still be in the middle of page 1

honestly i think tapers are just getting old and going to fewer shows
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the Millennials aren't going to carry it forward...they're way too accustomed to having stuff delivered to them via URL
ain't no 25 year old kid lugging a bunch of recording gear into a show anymore
Periscope/Facebook Live/Snapchat/grabbing a shitty video on their shitty phones and uploading it to YouTube = their version of taping

 

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Re: Why such a lack of recordings lately????
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2017, 10:46:47 AM »
Yeah, can you imagine the Dead-ication to cart in a reel-to-reel deck and some car batteries to pull a show?
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Re: Why such a lack of recordings lately????
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2017, 04:45:56 PM »
Tell you what: as I worked on finishing a show today, I realize how much I miss going out & recording shows as often as I used to. *sniff*
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Re: Why such a lack of recordings lately????
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2017, 06:41:25 PM »
As Crack said about showing up at show and not seeing any mics flying...it frustrated me to the point that I spent more money then I wanted to get a small decent rig. Once Josephine retired there was a huge hole to fill down here so I went for it (didn't hurt that she gave me a great deal on her MK4's). I will continue to capture as many shows as possible down here until the finish line (hopefully we get many more years). It still frustrates me when I can't make a local show, so I treasure the ones I can attend. Hopefully this new job I got won't impead me from getting to the run in October, but I know I won't have the flexibility with time off like my previous job...at least for a year.

Thanks, Redstrat, Crack, Josephine, and Ras for always listening/answering my questions about taping.

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Re: Why such a lack of recordings lately????
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2017, 08:20:40 PM »
I try and go to everything I can, but as I get older I get more selective.  That said I try and hit every show I can within 4-6 hours, but work and age do get in the way.  I also get a lot of what Steve called Lobos lite shows, but there are still some gems, see my recent ABQ show (never miss a NM show!).  I also tape a of of non LL stuff, cause I like a lot of different things.

When I think about the fact that the dead brought Lobos to me, I have to think how are the Dead and LL similar, and my answer is the deep musical well they draw from, though different.  The blending of genres to the point they created something uniquely wonderful, and American is why I keep going.  And let's face it none of us have that much time, in the big scheme of things. 

So, tapers keep on taping, and fans keep on DL'ing.  I got into this cause I was sick of crappy quality, I do it now to share.  We can evolve.  Peace ya'll.  Keep on Rocking in the Free World!

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Re: Why such a lack of recordings lately????
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2017, 12:46:25 AM »
I try and go to everything I can, but as I get older I get more selective.  That said I try and hit every show I can within 4-6 hours, but work and age do get in the way.

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When I think about the fact that the dead brought Lobos to me, I have to think how are the Dead and LL similar, and my answer is the deep musical well they draw from, though different.

there are a of of similarities
mostly in their approach if not directly in their art


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Re: Why such a lack of recordings lately????
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2017, 10:29:19 PM »
But Bobby doesn't Cumbia...  :o
2nd groucho-priest encounter, nyc hotel lobby
priest "aren't you groucho marx?"
groucho "yes i am"
priest "i want to thank you for all the joy you've put in the world"
groucho "and i want to thank you for all the joy you've taken out of it"